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Burlington City Council Work Session for Moran & Meeting

December 6th, 2004
Work session on YMCA/Moran development
City Hall 5:30PM

  • VT legislature has the authority to change what the public uses of the waterfront are (ie a hotel still isn’t clarified)
  • Transportation and parking plan is still not resolved
  • Bushor proposes a dedicated YMCA bus; CCTA not determined to do that
  • Public is not informed completely of the development, and there is no word from the current YMCA members of the approval or disapproval of the project (Molly, a YMCA board member, says would like the city to help with the prefunding money)
  • Where will the money for the infrastructure come from? (page seven of the Master document)
  • 3/4 miles down the bikepath there will be a $6 million aquatic center already in the works
  • YMCA has a high turnoer rate for their board members
  • The rehabilitation cost of the project will be $9-10million to improve the existing building on college street, and even after if they did that, there would still be problems; they already spread out for their childcare programs
  • Russ Ellis: what if the YMCA will no longer need the Moran area, as 100years is a long time? The Development agreement doesn’t address this, it will be addressed in the lease
  • Jean: believes she carries the voice of her constituients, and should go ahead without worrying about the details
  • What happens if the $3million for research isn’t available? Out of time for discussion, will br brought up again at the next session

City Council Meeting
Contois Auditorium 7PM

  • UVM taking over University place: privatization of food vendors (nothing is offered in exchange for the area, it has been moved to committee for discussion).

Public Forum on the YMCA/Moran project comments

  • Lake street traffic congestion
  • Other recreation funds diverted for moran (ie Leddy, Memorial auditorium, a New north end youth center, as there are half of the city’s youth served there, currently fighting for land at the armory (no answer given by mayor/CEDO)
  • 54% of Burlington youth feel they don’t matter within the city of Burlington
  • Public in the dark about the proposal, perhaps an advisory question should be on the ballot
  • Alan Sousie:
    • Is the project desirable to town as a whole?
    • The city currently owes $425,000, so why should they only get 5% back?
    • The YMCA is non-profit, therefore no taxable income would become of the project. The city would contribute $2.5 million towards the project… who will be responsible for the long term costs?
    • Are there other options for the existing land?
    • Who determined that the other options are not viable?
    • The Parks & Rec. need money, so why is $ being spent on Moran?
    • What is the plan for the current Y building if they move to waterfront?
    • A good deal of the childcare in Burlington is supported by YMCA.
    • Persons with disabilities do not have access to the features of the YMCA.
  • Hinda Miller: (all of the council members focus their attention to her)
    • There is no formal business plan for the project
    • Where is the real appropriated budget?
    • $8 million for the project seems too low.
    • How the city will finance the infrastructure?
    • Transportation and the contingencies, but no budget?
    • The public should have their voices heard.

Burlington City Council Work Session for Moran & Meeting

November 22nd, 2004
Work session on YMCA/Moran development
City Hall 5:30PM

  • President Montroll calls the session to order.
  • Montroll asks the council if they would like to continue or backdown?

Councilor’s questions:

  • How the city and YMCA’s religious non-descrimination clause… is that an issue? Joe, the president of the YMCA board says no – majority of members are women.
  • Clavelle sees project as a win-win situation
  • Carlton: Why the moran plant for relocation? Wishes citizens would be more vocal The YMCA has outgrown the existing building, no other is as good as the Moran location
  • Blais: If approved, what is the next step in development? The YMCA will place the existing property at college street for sale, and they estimate it will cost them more than $10million for the project, they would like the council’s enthusiastic approval for the project
  • Ellis: Who exactly is the ‘party’ mentioned in the development agreement? The city council and the Parks & Rec. Dept delegate the Moran property.
  • Who is a Burlington resident? (ie are students residents?) Any person that is able to vote within Burlington.
  • Membership fees? Based on scholarship, no one is turned away from them even if they are unable to pay the fees.
  • What happens if there is an extra cost or problem? It will be on the YMCA’s dollar. The YMCA board members mention their fundraising black-out dates of September to November because of the United way partnership.
  • City of Burlington currently owes $425,000 on Moran; estimated value is at $2.5million. An estimated $526,000 to tear the building down.

Work session adjourned – scheduling another work session for December 6th, 2004

City Council Meeting
Contois Auditorium 7PM

Agenda for meeting:

  • Progress review presentation of City market, Onion River co-op
  • Public forum
  • Consent agenda: Taxing owner-occupied duplexes under act 68
  • Winter operations presentation of Public works dept

Public Forum on the YMCA/Moran project comments

  • Adam Stone and Davin (UVM & Johnson state’s Student Government Association)
  • Adam: Personal freedoms of the students are ignored; seen as immature; no represenation of the students in the city government
  • Davin: There is a lack of community within Burlington; council isn’t getting the student’s view of things about the city (Council didn’t really listen; no response given)

Consent agenda:

  • (Curley)Taxing owner-occupied duplexes under act 68: the tax would increase in the non residential more than the commercial & would affect Northgate differently than other properties (passed 13 to 1: Bushor opposed)
  • Loan of $10million for the telecommunications project expansions within Burlington an additional $2million is needed (opposed by Curley)

The Burlington Libertarian Party has formed!

BURLINGTON, VERMONT – December 4, 2004

We are proud to announce the formation of Burlington Libertarian Party! Local Burlington issues were discussed and elections were held. The state executive committee held their meeting after the Burlington meeting.

Contact:

Jeremy Ryan, Chair
Burlington Libertarian Party
53 Avenue C
Burlington, Vermont
Phone: 802/865-0111
Fax: 309/406-3143
Web: https://burlingtonlp.org
Email: [email protected]